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		<title>Comment on Leave it to the Experts by Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

I understand what you&#039;re saying, your profession was in fact one I was going to refer to by example as I feel like (generally speaking) most clients won&#039;t understand what&#039;s going on in the back-end of a website or appreciate the effort that goes into &#039;neat&#039; code. They would largely be interested in what they understand, the aesthetics of the website… unless they have some experience of developing a site already.

My blog post was about the majority of people that we have to clear creative projects with. In my industry the people who pay for these ranges and who largely have the final say in whether a project goes ahead, are male - (not an immediate target market for lipsticks!) and therefore highly unlikely to know what a woman wants in terms of a lipstick shade. 

Therefore just because you can be MD/CEO of a cosmetics company does not mean you need to know anything about makeup/what women want… all you really need to know how is how to run a business. And WHEN that&#039;s the case it is a massive irritation to me and the people who put months of effort into projects when it comes down to someone who is a) not creative and b) not your target audience. 

That being said, I never assume someone doesn&#039;t know what they are talking about just because they don&#039;t fit the audience. If someone is ignorant of the situation it always reveals itself eventually! And yes, I understand that age CAN equal experience in a field, but it is also possible to come into an industry late on. Age does not always equal wisdom.

Thanks for your comment, and I really appreciate you reading the post :)
Charlie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, your profession was in fact one I was going to refer to by example as I feel like (generally speaking) most clients won&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s going on in the back-end of a website or appreciate the effort that goes into &#8216;neat&#8217; code. They would largely be interested in what they understand, the aesthetics of the website… unless they have some experience of developing a site already.</p>
<p>My blog post was about the majority of people that we have to clear creative projects with. In my industry the people who pay for these ranges and who largely have the final say in whether a project goes ahead, are male &#8211; (not an immediate target market for lipsticks!) and therefore highly unlikely to know what a woman wants in terms of a lipstick shade. </p>
<p>Therefore just because you can be MD/CEO of a cosmetics company does not mean you need to know anything about makeup/what women want… all you really need to know how is how to run a business. And WHEN that&#8217;s the case it is a massive irritation to me and the people who put months of effort into projects when it comes down to someone who is a) not creative and b) not your target audience. </p>
<p>That being said, I never assume someone doesn&#8217;t know what they are talking about just because they don&#8217;t fit the audience. If someone is ignorant of the situation it always reveals itself eventually! And yes, I understand that age CAN equal experience in a field, but it is also possible to come into an industry late on. Age does not always equal wisdom.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, and I really appreciate you reading the post <img src='http://likeyougiveadamn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Charlie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leave it to the Experts by Mark Steadman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Steadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Charlie.

I enjoyed the post and understand where you&#039;re coming from, but I can&#039;t help thinking - and I can be prone to this as a web developer - that by default, we tend to assume clients&#039; ignorance, and arrive on the defensive before we&#039;ve even shaken hands at the first meeting. We love the work we produce, we&#039;re proud of it, and we don&#039;t want some snotty dipshit telling us it&#039;s wrong.

But on the other hand, our jobs are about ultimately providing what the client wants, and we can&#039;t always assume they&#039;re wrong. Many of the designers and developers I&#039;ve worked with are quite young, so it&#039;s daft to assume they&#039;ve got all the experience and knowhow needed, fresh out of uni or with only a couple of years&#039; work experience, when the clients they&#039;re addressing have often had upwards of decades in their markets.

I wrote a post about it a while back (http://marksteadman.com/2011/12/29/your-professional-arrogance-is-no-longer-cute/); no idea if it goes over the line or is in any way relevant, but there it is :)

Thankyou,
-Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Charlie.</p>
<p>I enjoyed the post and understand where you&#8217;re coming from, but I can&#8217;t help thinking &#8211; and I can be prone to this as a web developer &#8211; that by default, we tend to assume clients&#8217; ignorance, and arrive on the defensive before we&#8217;ve even shaken hands at the first meeting. We love the work we produce, we&#8217;re proud of it, and we don&#8217;t want some snotty dipshit telling us it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, our jobs are about ultimately providing what the client wants, and we can&#8217;t always assume they&#8217;re wrong. Many of the designers and developers I&#8217;ve worked with are quite young, so it&#8217;s daft to assume they&#8217;ve got all the experience and knowhow needed, fresh out of uni or with only a couple of years&#8217; work experience, when the clients they&#8217;re addressing have often had upwards of decades in their markets.</p>
<p>I wrote a post about it a while back (<a href="http://marksteadman.com/2011/12/29/your-professional-arrogance-is-no-longer-cute/" rel="nofollow">http://marksteadman.com/2011/12/29/your-professional-arrogance-is-no-longer-cute/</a>); no idea if it goes over the line or is in any way relevant, but there it is <img src='http://likeyougiveadamn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thankyou,<br />
-Mark</p>
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		<title>Comment on WAR IS OVER! (If You Want It) by The In Sound From Way Out &#8211; EMI Australia&#039;s Music and MP3 Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Merry Christmas from EMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>The In Sound From Way Out &#8211; EMI Australia&#039;s Music and MP3 Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Merry Christmas from EMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Vivez le Langue by EF Video Team</title>
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		<dc:creator>EF Video Team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! My name is Yagmur and I’m part of the EF video team. I was happy to see our “Live the Language” films on your blog. This weekend we posted 3 more films in the same series, from Sydney, Vancouver and Los Angeles, which we produced together with the same creative team. This time we added some color in the graphics and played around more with sound effects. Check them out at http://www.ef.com/livethelanguage - or if you prefer Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/livethelanguage/videos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! My name is Yagmur and I’m part of the EF video team. I was happy to see our “Live the Language” films on your blog. This weekend we posted 3 more films in the same series, from Sydney, Vancouver and Los Angeles, which we produced together with the same creative team. This time we added some color in the graphics and played around more with sound effects. Check them out at <a href="http://www.ef.com/livethelanguage" rel="nofollow">http://www.ef.com/livethelanguage</a> &#8211; or if you prefer Vimeo: <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/groups/livethelanguage/videos" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimeo.com/groups/livethelanguage/videos</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Know Your Meme: Geddan by Tessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 00:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! I may be hundreds of years too late but I have only just found Geddan! Now I&#039;m catching up! Your comprehensive explanation is the only one I&#039;ve been able to find!
Thanks : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! I may be hundreds of years too late but I have only just found Geddan! Now I&#8217;m catching up! Your comprehensive explanation is the only one I&#8217;ve been able to find!<br />
Thanks : )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Design Advice by Carla Kuhn</title>
		<link>http://likeyougiveadamn.com/design/good-design-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fucking love your advice.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 8 Months In&#8230; by DearOldDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DearOldDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was, in truth, the graduation pie queue. They have a more highly-qualified and discerning punter than the average pie shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was, in truth, the graduation pie queue. They have a more highly-qualified and discerning punter than the average pie shop.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jobs for Grads by viraj deo</title>
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		<dc:creator>viraj deo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insights! thanks a lot for such a detailed and step by step procedure for job application.. it is indeed sounds like an arduous task, especially for an international student like me, who have no clue regarding job hunting in London.

I am pursuing MA GB&amp;I at LCC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights! thanks a lot for such a detailed and step by step procedure for job application.. it is indeed sounds like an arduous task, especially for an international student like me, who have no clue regarding job hunting in London.</p>
<p>I am pursuing MA GB&amp;I at LCC.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unit Three: Final Major Project by Charlotte Knibbs Design &#124; blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Knibbs Design &#124; blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Charlotte Knibbs Design by Emma Nichols on Feb 22, 2011 &#8226; 8:04 pm No Comments Charlotte Knibbs, a London based graphic designer specialized in print, had an interesting concept for Interactive Design which she applied to an array of mediums. Created for her final major project as part of the MA in Graphic Design studied at the London College of Communication they show a successful use of conceptually engaging ideas and beautiful Graphic Design. Her work sees an audience as a user and investigates there depth of perspective she explains on her portfolio &#8220;I wanted to see if I could create a deeper understanding of content if the viewer has a chance to physically interact with the form in order to decipher it&#8221; read more about the project here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Charlotte Knibbs Design by Emma Nichols on Feb 22, 2011 &bull; 8:04 pm No Comments Charlotte Knibbs, a London based graphic designer specialized in print, had an interesting concept for Interactive Design which she applied to an array of mediums. Created for her final major project as part of the MA in Graphic Design studied at the London College of Communication they show a successful use of conceptually engaging ideas and beautiful Graphic Design. Her work sees an audience as a user and investigates there depth of perspective she explains on her portfolio &#8220;I wanted to see if I could create a deeper understanding of content if the viewer has a chance to physically interact with the form in order to decipher it&#8221; read more about the project here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to be a Good Client by Where do I work? &#124; likeyougiveadamn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where do I work? &#124; likeyougiveadamn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] self induced. I would say a lot of you have noticed, I am unable to keep my trap shut about work. Even if it&#8217;s something stupid like a blog post/project on the importance of doing a project pr... based on my experiences with clients to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] self induced. I would say a lot of you have noticed, I am unable to keep my trap shut about work. Even if it&#8217;s something stupid like a blog post/project on the importance of doing a project pr&#8230; based on my experiences with clients to [...]</p>
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